9/11 Truther Iraq veteran demolitions ‘expert’ debunked

…Partly because the producer of Loose Change (the truther film), Korey Rowe, 24, was arrested for deserting the Army just a few days ago, and …. Right on the heels of Scott Thomas Beauchamp's debacle and meltdown at TNR , this dude Gibbwake steps up here at National Writers Syndicate, publishing an article using Wolf's military service as a soapbox to announce to the world that 9/11 was an inside job. This is what I call great timing. These guys are getting DESPERATE! Although I don't think the 9/11 truther message is anything new, all you have to do is go to a Cindy Sheehan anti-war protest and you'll see their t-shirts and hear their message.

This isn't 'latest news', although if people aren't aware of "Loose Change" by the 9/11 Truther movement, I suppose it might be. This should be in the 'propaganda' category for conspiracy nuts. Popular Mechanics has an article debunking the 9/11 truth movements claims, here.

He reminds me of Rosie O'Donnell when he says that fire can't melt steel, and he shows even more cluelessness when he seems to make the assumption that demolition crews were not present in the aftermath of 9/11.

Cox and Forkum:

Jonah Goldberg: The 'Queen of Nice' has gone nuts, and ABC lets her rant on and on. RENOWNED metallurgist Rosie O'Donnell proclaimed on TV Thursday of last week that Sept. 11, 2001, was a more significant date than most of us realized. It was, in her words, "the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel."

This, of course, came as news to steelworkers, welders, blacksmiths, firefighters, manufacturers of samurai swords and other fools who hadn't realized that steel is forged in magic furnaces using dragon breath and pixie dust.

*snip*

…[I]in last week's rant, O'Donnell focused on World Trade Center Building 7, which has become the grassy knoll for 9/11 conspiracy theorists. Asked if the government was responsible for its collapse, she coyly replied that she didn't know, wink, wink. All she knows is that it's "impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved" and that, for the "first time in history, steel was melted by fire." Wink, wink, again. For the record, fire can melt steel, and buildings collapse when heat weakens steel. But that misses the point. The point is we shouldn't have to argue with crazy people.

Popular Mechanics responded with the scientific explanation for the collapse of WTC 7. You might also want to check out their book, Debunking 9/11 Myths.-which comes highly recommended.

Tim Sumner has more evidence of Rosie O'Donnell's ignorance. While Rosie is no 'expert' maybe the claim that Wolf is an expert will make a difference and get people to accept the same pile of rubbish. After all, Lenin said if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes truth.

My friend Brendan (from Australia) who writes here at Voice of the Pacific wrote this in email:

So you are saying, that the US government, the same government that cant even balance aBUDGETor come up with an integrated immigration policy carried out a massive hoax / operation of unprecedented proportionsto bring down the towers, using thousands of people to set charges all the way through theWTC, not one of whom has ever come forward, not one of whom has ever been caught, not one of whom has ever broken their silence…have kept this diabolical secret since Sept 11 2001 sucessfully in spite of concerted efforts to "ferret out the truth"…

…that they carried out the greatest operation of all time with 100% success….and in 2003,the same diabolical geniuses who planned and executed this masterpiece of "false flag terrorism"…..forgot to plant WMD, nukes and delivery systems in Iraq after the invasion.

Right.

Got it.

Then we have GM Roper, who writes at GM's Corner who's a licensed professional counselor:

Cao, I may not know ANYTHING about controlled demolitions, but I know a "Truther" and BullSh*t Artist when I see one. LOL

One question though, and I think it blows the sh*t out of his argument if I'm reading it correctly. Why did "osama" wait till AFTER 9/11 to get his family out… ifwhat this truther says is true, thenwouldn't it make sense to get them out the morning of, or the night before?

Ahhh, me, more truther BS, I think! I'm getting tired of these guys…his intro claiming that everyone in the room will be a seditionist is also BS, too… and the steel was NOT all shipped, in fact, some of it is still there. The bit about the dogs is not true either. In fact, my older post (http://gmroper.mu.nu/archives

/171880.php) on the K-9 memorial where mykid brother did the sculpture used one of the 9/11 dogs as a model for the sculpture (the Dogs name was Tsunami read the comments for a little bit about my brother and Tsunami). Brother says the dog was healthy and hearty the whole damn time, not sick, not dying and this was4 years after 9/11. AsDoug notes (Doug is my kid brother) They took Tsunami to the Alamo and his Paw Print is in the VIP guest book between the signatures of Prince Charles and a Texas Governor.

here is a more likelyexplanation.

on the dogs

on the dogs and human health

9/11 rescue dogs healthier than humans

If someone tells you he is a "Truther" tell him that you are sorry, and then tell him that there is anti-psychotic medications that will help.

Here are some experts on building demolitions at www.implosionworld.com. In fact, these are the demolition experts who took down the remains of Tower #6 and helped clean up the area at ground zero after the buildings fell. Do you suppose Wolf found an opportunity to look at their data? I would think not. Because Protec's business is building demolition, and they recorded the seismic ground vibrations in Manhattan and Brooklyn during the timeframe of the attacks at ground zero. In fact, more detailed seismic readings were recorded by the Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory and combined with Protec's, which gave a purely scientific unfiltered view of each event. These demolition experts took countless photographs and video of what they were doing, and although they were doing it because that's what they do for their work, these images and documentation provide substantial visual evidence that goes beyond conspiracy theories and hearsay. They actually wrote a paper on the towers collapses, which can be accessed here.

The bottom line is, with the recent debacle and exposure of the Iraq PFC Scott Thomas Beauchamp at The New Republic, whose stories have been exposed as fraudulent, Jesse MacBeth who turned out to be a fraud, and numerous others, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we would have another truther-style veteran come out and say that 9/11 was an inside job. At least he didn't join up with Code Pink whose members stand outside of Walter Reed and tell passersby who've lost legs or limbs and their family members that they were 'maimed for a lie'–although by glomming onto the truther movement that is, in essence, what he's saying.

Leftists in general seem to be desperate to persuade veterans to claim one or a combination of things: 1) that people in uniform are committing war crimes, 2) or show that our government is evil and 'that's why they hate us', 3) that's why we should not support our kids who want to enlist, 4) that's why we should keep the ROTC off University campuses and 5) that's why our country is not worth living or dying for. In fact, contrary to media reports, there was a terrorist/Saddam connection as you can see here at Hussein and Terror, and there was an Osama Bin Laden/Saddam connection as you can see and hear here, and we even found WMD.

Amerinds are very proud of their warrior culture, even though they seem to be incredibly leftist in their politics. Even though a majority of them are against the war, an inordinate number of them have signed up to go to Iraq and Afghanistan.

But we also have the flipside of the same equation. We have AIM, Ward Churchill (who isn't even a real amerind), who said the victims of 9/11 were "little Eichmanns" and deserved what they got. We also have Leonard Peltier, who ran for president on the communist party ticket (excuse me – Peace and Freedom Party) from prison, to make a political point. You can go to any protest and see that United for Peace and Justice, International Answer, Code Pink, and other marxist type organizations are working together to destroy our will to fight, why should a veteran like Gibbwake who bought into the theory be any different? It's not like he's any different than John Murtha.

(picture courtesy of Boot Murtha) I just put up this morning a post about the people behind the anti-war messages we're seeing that are carefully sanitized for public consumption. One of the pictures I got was from a Cindy Sheehan protest, showing one of the 9/11 truthers (below). The t-shirt reads: "The REAL Conspiracy is the Government Story. Examine the evidence. End the Lie. www.ny911truth.org"

Hell, even James Webb has had a problem connecting the dots between what he wrote in 2003 about the millions killed in Cambodia after we left Vietnam, and what will happen when we pull out of Iraq. Somewhere along the way some people find it politically expedient to announce a different position. Still, it doesn't bode well for the integrity of a person.

Although it's interesting to see this guy trotted out as some kind of moral authority because he served in Iraq, I hardly see what the connection is between his service in Iraq and his drawing the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job. Is it supposed to make him more believable after Jesse MacBeth and all the other frauds that have been trotted out on that side of the argument? This is the Winter Soldier all over again, and frankly, I don't have time for it.

See the great blog Screw Loose Change and go through the links…

Also see this website, exploding the 9/11 Conspiracy Myths.

Computer Modeling of Collapse of World Trade Center Towers

http://www.structuremag.org/archives/2007/March%202007/D-Spotlight-ComputerModeling-Mar07.pdf

Mike Walter illustrates how conspiracy theorists take peoples quotes out of context. This is just one of many examples of quote mining from the "Truth" movement.

In their paper, Protec describes what people saw versus what would have been there if explosives had been present. Further, on pp. 11 & 12 of their paper:

It also bears repeating that the men and women who actually deconstructed and removed debris from ground zero were not part of a clandestine cartel of government stooges working to obstruct justice. Rather, this collection of several hundred workers represented the country's most experienced and highly skilled demolition veterans (recall the impressive fact that no one was killed during the cleanup). Most quickly became consumed by the project and worked on site from the first day to the last, stressing marriages and families to the breaking point. But their consistent presence – combined with their vast collection of past experiences working on explosive demolition projects – made them precisely the group of people who would have been most likely to spot and call attention to abnormalities in the debris, had their been any.

With all due respect to distinguished scholars and others alike, it matters little whether Alex Jones is drawing parallels to building implosions, Steven Jones is drawing conclusions from hot metal or Chuck Jones is drawing dynamite from the hands of Wile E. Coyote; for assertions to be credible they must eventually comply with the scientific principles of explosive initiation of structure failure, realistic judgments of probability, and indisputable visual evidence.

Thus far, we have investigated scores a resounding 0 for 3.

And on page 12 from the same report:

a) The Columbia University vibration waveforms recorded on 9/11 do not appear to indicate that explosives were used,

b) To the contrary, our interpretation of these waveforms – and the interpretation of many other experts – is that they clearly indicate explosives were not used,

c) Protec's vibration data recorded during the same timeframe, while far less specific, does not show any vibration events that contradict with Columbia University.

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